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		<title>By: Counsel</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>Counsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had in iPhone, had a AT&amp;T Tilt, and I am going back to my Treo 650.  It works.  Nuff said.

Movies?  On my  laptop.

GPS?  In my car, and I know how to use a map :)  I guess many people don&#039;t.

I&#039;m simply hoping someone takes the simplicity of use of the Treo 650 and makes a wonderful device with a 4&quot; screen.  That I would buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had in iPhone, had a AT&amp;T Tilt, and I am going back to my Treo 650.  It works.  Nuff said.</p>
<p>Movies?  On my  laptop.</p>
<p>GPS?  In my car, and I know how to use a map :)  I guess many people don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simply hoping someone takes the simplicity of use of the Treo 650 and makes a wonderful device with a 4&#8243; screen.  That I would buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, you won&#039;t want to sync over Bluetooth as your normal synchronization channel. It is far slower than a USB connection; I only sync over Bluetooth when I forget the USB cable for my Palm when I&#039;m out of town. I don&#039;t know how much Bluetooth chipsets&#039; power profiles have improved since Palm put together the T&#124;X, but if they haven&#039;t improved much then synchronizing/backing up the iPhone over Bluetooth is likely to be a significant power drain. On my T&#124;X a sync will put a visible dent into the battery meter; only about a few pixel&#039;s worth, no more than 2% I&#039;d say, but still a lot more than a USB-based sync (which of course draws power from the USB plug and yields a net increase in battery life).

The Bluetooth connection icon in OS X&#039;s Address Book is indeed spiffy. When connected to my cell phone, it will indeed let Address Book dial it, and furthermore, when calls come in on the cell phone, Address Book will pop up a small window with the caller&#039;s information if it finds a match.

Wanting Spotlight-like (or Quicksilver-like) behavior is entirely reasonable, and I would go further to say that not implementing it is throwing out the valuable lessons Google taught everyone about the relative value of manually constructing indexes versus letting the machine search through content for you. I think here they let their iPod experience override usability analysis; usage patterns for music are not the same as for address book information.

The lack of a memory card is not a big deal as long as backing up and re-imaging an iPhone to/from a Mac/PC via iTunes is single-button simple. Being able to add more flash RAM is nice, but at 8 GB, I think I can stand the limitation. If there was some way to wirelessly tether an iPod to an iPhone, and seamlessly access all the contents of your iPod from your iPhone as streams however...

I&#039;m sure third parties will step up and fill the gap for a second battery. Make a battery that will plug into the iPhone to keep it going, and accept the iPhone&#039;s charger. Now if the iPhone stops working as soon as you plug it into the charger, then that would be a big design flaw.

I used to be like jessecuster, and wanted to keep my PDA and cell phone as separate devices, primarily because I didn&#039;t want a more functional PDA to come along, and still be stuck with a smartphone whose PDA half I want to ditch but was perfectly happy with the cell phone half. The iPhone comes pretty close to addressing that concern though, with it raw specs.

Applications that I&#039;m waiting to see on the iPhone for before re-evaluating purchase of one would be: password manager, alarm clock, ICQ client, SSH client, VNC client, VOIP client, lists manager, and Google Gears. Issues like improvements in Google Maps not fanning out seamlessly to the iPhone also need to be ironed out. If Apple doesn&#039;t trust their own message that web applications should be good enough and instead of eating their own dog food, uses a hard-coded application to talk to a web service instead of passing Google Maps straight through to the Maps service, then they shouldn&#039;t be surprised when developers demur and punt to see what happens with third-party development in certain sectors (primarily business-oriented; I expect consumer-oriented development will be robust).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, you won&#8217;t want to sync over Bluetooth as your normal synchronization channel. It is far slower than a USB connection; I only sync over Bluetooth when I forget the USB cable for my Palm when I&#8217;m out of town. I don&#8217;t know how much Bluetooth chipsets&#8217; power profiles have improved since Palm put together the T|X, but if they haven&#8217;t improved much then synchronizing/backing up the iPhone over Bluetooth is likely to be a significant power drain. On my T|X a sync will put a visible dent into the battery meter; only about a few pixel&#8217;s worth, no more than 2% I&#8217;d say, but still a lot more than a USB-based sync (which of course draws power from the USB plug and yields a net increase in battery life).</p>
<p>The Bluetooth connection icon in OS X&#8217;s Address Book is indeed spiffy. When connected to my cell phone, it will indeed let Address Book dial it, and furthermore, when calls come in on the cell phone, Address Book will pop up a small window with the caller&#8217;s information if it finds a match.</p>
<p>Wanting Spotlight-like (or Quicksilver-like) behavior is entirely reasonable, and I would go further to say that not implementing it is throwing out the valuable lessons Google taught everyone about the relative value of manually constructing indexes versus letting the machine search through content for you. I think here they let their iPod experience override usability analysis; usage patterns for music are not the same as for address book information.</p>
<p>The lack of a memory card is not a big deal as long as backing up and re-imaging an iPhone to/from a Mac/PC via iTunes is single-button simple. Being able to add more flash RAM is nice, but at 8 GB, I think I can stand the limitation. If there was some way to wirelessly tether an iPod to an iPhone, and seamlessly access all the contents of your iPod from your iPhone as streams however&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure third parties will step up and fill the gap for a second battery. Make a battery that will plug into the iPhone to keep it going, and accept the iPhone&#8217;s charger. Now if the iPhone stops working as soon as you plug it into the charger, then that would be a big design flaw.</p>
<p>I used to be like jessecuster, and wanted to keep my PDA and cell phone as separate devices, primarily because I didn&#8217;t want a more functional PDA to come along, and still be stuck with a smartphone whose PDA half I want to ditch but was perfectly happy with the cell phone half. The iPhone comes pretty close to addressing that concern though, with it raw specs.</p>
<p>Applications that I&#8217;m waiting to see on the iPhone for before re-evaluating purchase of one would be: password manager, alarm clock, ICQ client, SSH client, VNC client, VOIP client, lists manager, and Google Gears. Issues like improvements in Google Maps not fanning out seamlessly to the iPhone also need to be ironed out. If Apple doesn&#8217;t trust their own message that web applications should be good enough and instead of eating their own dog food, uses a hard-coded application to talk to a web service instead of passing Google Maps straight through to the Maps service, then they shouldn&#8217;t be surprised when developers demur and punt to see what happens with third-party development in certain sectors (primarily business-oriented; I expect consumer-oriented development will be robust).</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I owned a iPhone for five days.  I didn&#039;t hate it but I was thankful for the treo 700p.  Here are several reasons that anyone who has a treo shouldn&#039;t run out and buy an iPhone.

-The treo allows for sending text messages to multiple recipients at a time.  The iPhone is one person per message.
-iPhone isn&#039;t capable of carrying any word or excel programs which are built into the treo.
-iPhone has no third party software capabilities at all
-iPhone accepts no memory cards or expansion
-entering datebook info in iPhone is extremely tedious
-iPhone is unable to use ringtones outside of preinstalled tones
-iPhone keyboard is one of the worst on the market of smartphones.  Also predictive text causes more mistakes than corrections
-iPhone has no second battery backup options
-no iPhone applications allow for copy and paste functions

The iPhone has beautiful user interface.  It appears to be very stable (unlike treos).  Has nice display.  The virtual voicemail is awesome.  If you think of the iPhone as the best ipod yet, then it&#039;s almost worth the money.  Non treo users will not be disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owned a iPhone for five days.  I didn&#8217;t hate it but I was thankful for the treo 700p.  Here are several reasons that anyone who has a treo shouldn&#8217;t run out and buy an iPhone.</p>
<p>-The treo allows for sending text messages to multiple recipients at a time.  The iPhone is one person per message.<br />
-iPhone isn&#8217;t capable of carrying any word or excel programs which are built into the treo.<br />
-iPhone has no third party software capabilities at all<br />
-iPhone accepts no memory cards or expansion<br />
-entering datebook info in iPhone is extremely tedious<br />
-iPhone is unable to use ringtones outside of preinstalled tones<br />
-iPhone keyboard is one of the worst on the market of smartphones.  Also predictive text causes more mistakes than corrections<br />
-iPhone has no second battery backup options<br />
-no iPhone applications allow for copy and paste functions</p>
<p>The iPhone has beautiful user interface.  It appears to be very stable (unlike treos).  Has nice display.  The virtual voicemail is awesome.  If you think of the iPhone as the best ipod yet, then it&#8217;s almost worth the money.  Non treo users will not be disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Doesn&#8217;t look like I&#8217;ll be buying an iPhone &#171; The view from my window</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Doesn&#8217;t look like I&#8217;ll be buying an iPhone &#171; The view from my window</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I couldn&#8217;t tell if he was just fiddling or actually having to do that, but now that I read this it appears the landscape mode isn&#8217;t totally seamless - sure it looks groovy when the image [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse Custer</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich - Bluetooth is a -little- slow, yeah, but it&#039;s not really -that- bad.  Most of the heavy browser work I&#039;m going to do on my laptop anyway.  The handheld is really just a &#039;ok, I need to know now, don&#039;t have time or space to set up my laptop&#039; kind of thing.

West -  I don&#039;t keep a headset in my ear 24/7.  It&#039;s a bitch to switch to the headset once you&#039;ve already dialed or answered a call without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich &#8211; Bluetooth is a -little- slow, yeah, but it&#8217;s not really -that- bad.  Most of the heavy browser work I&#8217;m going to do on my laptop anyway.  The handheld is really just a &#8216;ok, I need to know now, don&#8217;t have time or space to set up my laptop&#8217; kind of thing.</p>
<p>West &#8211;  I don&#8217;t keep a headset in my ear 24/7.  It&#8217;s a bitch to switch to the headset once you&#8217;ve already dialed or answered a call without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich S.</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse, I&#039;ve thought about trading my Treo in for a smaller phone and a PDA but I&#039;ve heard that the web access through bluetooth is pretty slow compared to an integrated device.  What&#039;s your experience been like?

- Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse, I&#8217;ve thought about trading my Treo in for a smaller phone and a PDA but I&#8217;ve heard that the web access through bluetooth is pretty slow compared to an integrated device.  What&#8217;s your experience been like?</p>
<p>- Rich</p>
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		<title>By: West</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.

I&#039;ve got the Treo 755P, now, so I tend to compare the iPhone on that level.  Of course, I don&#039;t own an iPhone, so I can only go by what I&#039;ve heard about it.  Some of what you mention was news to me and a bit surprising considering how often I&#039;ve heard &quot;intuitive&quot; used to describe Apple&#039;s phone.  Oh well.  I guess nothing&#039;s perfect - even Treo&#039;s.

Thanks for the comparison info.

Also, I get that jesse&#039;s preference is to have multiple devices, but I don&#039;t get the question about needing to look up a number or make note of something, while on the phone.  Mayoff&#039;s response seems to reflect my experience - use a headset (Bluetooth or otherwise) or the speakerphone and the Treo&#039;s contacts and memo applications, among others, remain accessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got the Treo 755P, now, so I tend to compare the iPhone on that level.  Of course, I don&#8217;t own an iPhone, so I can only go by what I&#8217;ve heard about it.  Some of what you mention was news to me and a bit surprising considering how often I&#8217;ve heard &#8220;intuitive&#8221; used to describe Apple&#8217;s phone.  Oh well.  I guess nothing&#8217;s perfect &#8211; even Treo&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comparison info.</p>
<p>Also, I get that jesse&#8217;s preference is to have multiple devices, but I don&#8217;t get the question about needing to look up a number or make note of something, while on the phone.  Mayoff&#8217;s response seems to reflect my experience &#8211; use a headset (Bluetooth or otherwise) or the speakerphone and the Treo&#8217;s contacts and memo applications, among others, remain accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: sisirkoppaka</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>sisirkoppaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 06:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good review.</p>
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		<title>By: mayoff</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>mayoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the answer for a lot of smartphone power-users is to use a headset, which makes it easy to use the other device features while on a call.  I never bothered before, but I&#039;m considering getting a bluetooth headset now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer for a lot of smartphone power-users is to use a headset, which makes it easy to use the other device features while on a call.  I never bothered before, but I&#8217;m considering getting a bluetooth headset now.</p>
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		<title>By: jessecuster</title>
		<link>http://qwan.org/2007/07/01/iphone-vs-treo-650/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>jessecuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me crazy, but I&#039;d so much rather just have a separate Palm device and cell phone.

I&#039;ve got a Palm T&#124;X right now, and a bluetooth capable cellphone.  I can dial the phone from the palm via BT, no problem.  I can also use the phone as a modem, via BT, no problem.  

As far as Blazer goes, yeah, it&#039;s got a couple issues - it doesn&#039;t always reliably show pages correctly, but most of the time it works.  (One gripe I&#039;ve got is that I can&#039;t sign in to wordpress, for some reason!)  Blazer looks pretty damn good, though, especially when you set it to &#039;Wide Page Mode.&#039;  (Oh yeah - I use my Palm rotated to the wide orientation.)

But what it really breaks down to is, very simply, that I&#039;d rather have two separate devices.  How often, wen you&#039;re on the phone, do you need to look up a phone number, or check an appointment, or write down a number or directions?  It just makes sense for me to carry around the two separate devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me crazy, but I&#8217;d so much rather just have a separate Palm device and cell phone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a Palm T|X right now, and a bluetooth capable cellphone.  I can dial the phone from the palm via BT, no problem.  I can also use the phone as a modem, via BT, no problem.  </p>
<p>As far as Blazer goes, yeah, it&#8217;s got a couple issues &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t always reliably show pages correctly, but most of the time it works.  (One gripe I&#8217;ve got is that I can&#8217;t sign in to wordpress, for some reason!)  Blazer looks pretty damn good, though, especially when you set it to &#8216;Wide Page Mode.&#8217;  (Oh yeah &#8211; I use my Palm rotated to the wide orientation.)</p>
<p>But what it really breaks down to is, very simply, that I&#8217;d rather have two separate devices.  How often, wen you&#8217;re on the phone, do you need to look up a phone number, or check an appointment, or write down a number or directions?  It just makes sense for me to carry around the two separate devices.</p>
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